petersimonova:

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate

foundingfatherfest:

awomaninvisible:

Fascinating. This is what the US is supposed to be like. 

(I should point out, I’m not American, but the article is)

All these quotes look accurate. I’m seeing some I’d never seen before, though, which is neat.

Don’t mistake the Founders for a bunch of hardcore atheists who hated religion, though. This is why it’s hard to compare religious issues today to those of their time. Christianity was woven deeply into the culture, and pretty much everyone, Deist or not, went to church.

And after Thomas Paine wrote this ill-advised pamphlet…

31. “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.”
~Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man, 1791

Just about everyone hated him.

But yeah, the separation of church and state thing is one of my favorite things about the US! Remember a great account from a French guy, talking about how even family members might go to different churches and it wasn’t a big deal. Yay for religious diversity.

1st amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

As a conservative christian i love this. They saw what Catholics and Anglicans had done to Europe with state sponsored religion and didn’t want that to happen here, this is why we have been a haven for European religious minorities like Protestants and Jews.

But yeah, the separation of church and state thing is one of my favorite things about the US!

So sorry, Jefferson wrote a letter in 1802 (not a constitutional amendment but a letter) to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, that there should be “a wall of separation between church and state.”

This was written to a church in defense of the 1st amendment phrase “no law respecting an establishment of religion” not a statement asking for sterile separation, but a defense against the idea of state sponsored religion.

This public letter has long been taken by the left as law. While they ignore actual law. And this is the only place where the left respects the concept of “original intent.”even if it is in a backhanded way stretched beyond credibility

And slavery? the 3/5ths man clause was insisted on by the democrat states and their politicians, not christian conservatives but largely German Catholic southern states. We will address this more later.

Uh, yeah. I know that Jefferson wrote that in a letter. It’s still the term generally used to describe the relationship between government and religion in the US.

Agreed it is the term generally used, but the law does not require “sterile separation” as groups like “freedom from religion” want, it just outlaws state sponsored religion, this we have both benefited from

…And what does the 3/5th clause  have to do with religion? Like…nothing. Southerns wanted to have their slaves counted as population because it would be advantageous to their states. If all of the slaveholders in the south were scientologists they’d have wanted the same thing.

Before and at the time of the revolution many of the northern colonies, later states, had anti-catholic laws to discourage them from staying in the north,

Massachusetts for example required all governmental representatives to be protestant. 

Catholics believed at that time that slavery was ok on authority of the pope, many protestants (abolitionists) thought it was a sin to take a persons free will from them, in the form of slavery(as free will was given by god, no man had right to interfere)  This is why in some ways, the civil war could be described as a religious war, but this really isn’t perfectly accurate.

This whole “no state sponsored religion” and “no freedom from religion” thing that I hear about makes no actual sense.

Either the government is sponsoring religion or it isn’t. If it isn’t, then that is “freedom from religion” because nothing is being imposed on you by the government. If the government is imposing a religion on the people, that’s “no freedom from religion” AND government sponsored religion.
And really, none of this matters, because there’s no such thing as original intent. First thing that happened when Washington was elected under this glorious document? The Founding Fathers started arguing about interpretation.
To Wikipedia for some data!Catholic population of United States in 1790: ~35,000
Total population of the United States in 1790: 3,929,214
That’s about 1% of the population.There were only two signers of the Constitution who were Catholic, by the way. Representing Pennsylvania and Maryland.
Those who lived in areas with large populations of enslaved people, where the economy depended on them were most likely to support it. Some used religion to justify it, others used it to preach against it.  It can’t be blamed on the evil Catholics.

majorjohnandre:

Turn: Of Cabbages and Kings

Go New Jersey

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majorjohnandre:

Turn: Of Cabbages and Kings

Go New Jersey

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"No occupation is so delightful to me as the culture of the earth, no culture comparable to that of the garden…But though an old man, I am but a young gardener."
-Thomas Jefferson (via quoteallthethings)
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes."
hillbillyplease:

https://twitter.com/shrillcosby/status/504816186672963584
This series of tweets is the greatest thing that ever happened. There are several more, and they are all beautiful.

hillbillyplease:

https://twitter.com/shrillcosby/status/504816186672963584

This series of tweets is the greatest thing that ever happened. There are several more, and they are all beautiful.

http://publius-esquire.tumblr.com/post/96068153605/sometimes-one-has-to-remind-people-that

publius-esquire:

Sometimes one has to remind people that historically-speaking, antislavery was not synonymous with pro-black. From the Federal Era to the Civil War, antislavery arguments could be summarized into three different grounds of opposition: humanitarian (“slavery is wrong”); racist (“slavery brings…

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate

petersimonova:

foundingfatherfest:

awomaninvisible:

Fascinating. This is what the US is supposed to be like. 

(I should point out, I’m not American, but the article is)

All these quotes look accurate. I’m seeing some I’d never seen before, though, which is neat.

Don’t mistake the Founders for a bunch of hardcore atheists who hated religion, though. This is why it’s hard to compare religious issues today to those of their time. Christianity was woven deeply into the culture, and pretty much everyone, Deist or not, went to church.

And after Thomas Paine wrote this ill-advised pamphlet…

31. “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.”
~Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man, 1791

Just about everyone hated him.

But yeah, the separation of church and state thing is one of my favorite things about the US! Remember a great account from a French guy, talking about how even family members might go to different churches and it wasn’t a big deal. Yay for religious diversity.

1st amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

As a conservative christian i love this. They saw what Catholics and Anglicans had done to Europe with state sponsored religion and didn’t want that to happen here, this is why we have been a haven for European religious minorities like Protestants and Jews.

But yeah, the separation of church and state thing is one of my favorite things about the US!

So sorry, Jefferson wrote a letter in 1802 (not a constitutional amendment but a letter) to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, that there should be “a wall of separation between church and state.”

This was written to a church in defense of the 1st amendment phrase “no law respecting an establishment of religion” not a statement asking for sterile separation, but a defense against the idea of state sponsored religion.

This public letter has long been taken by the left as law. While they ignore actual law. And this is the only place where the left respects the concept of “original intent.”even if it is in a backhanded way stretched beyond credibility

And slavery? the 3/5ths man clause was insisted on by the democrat states and their politicians, not christian conservatives but largely German Catholic southern states. We will address this more later.

Uh, yeah. I know that Jefferson wrote that in a letter. It’s still the term generally used to describe the relationship between government and religion in the US.

…And what does the 3/5th clause  have to do with religion? Like…nothing. Southerns wanted to have their slaves counted as population because it would be advantageous to their states. If all of the slaveholders in the south were scientologists they’d have wanted the same thing.

"I know not how to mention, the melancholly Intelligence by this Vessell, which affects you so tenderly.__ I feel for you, more than I can or ought to express.__ Our Country has lost its most promising Character, in a manner however, that was worthy of her Cause.__ I can Say nothing more to you, but that you have much greater Reason to Say in this Case, a s a Duke of ormond said of an Earl of Ossory. ‘I would not exchange my Son for any living Son in the World.’"
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John Adams to Henry Laurens, in a letter dated November 6, 1782

News of John Laurens’s death on August 27, 1782 was enclosed in this letter.  On November 12, 1782, Henry Laurens replied with the following:

For the rest, the Wound is deep, but I apply to myself the consolation which I administered to the Father, of the Brave Colonel Parker.  ‘Thank God I had a Son who dared to die in defence of his Country.’

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thesakinesama:

Oh God…I’m sorry…*snicker*

thesakinesama:

Oh God…I’m sorry…*snicker*

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