On Citing the Federalist Papers as a Source of the Founders’ Views on Government

It’s a bad idea.
The Federalist Papers weren’t an instruction manual for the Constitution. They were written with one specific purpose in mind: get the Constitution ratified.

Who needed to be convinced to support the Constitution?

People who wanted states rights, and saw the consolidated federal government created by the constitution as an echo of monarchical tyranny.

What does that mean for Hamilton, Madison, and Jay? Spinning every aspect of the Constitution so that it will be appealing to that mindset, or at least less threatening. Personal beliefs and doubts are squelched in order to convince the skeptical.

And what does that mean for you? Taking what’s written in those papers with a grain of salt. I’m not saying that the Federalist Papers are a packet of pretty lies; I am saying that you have to remember that it was written in order to sell something.

Sometimes, I’ll read someone declaring that Hamilton was a strict constructionist of the constitution, or that he had greater respect for the states than he’s portrayed as having. Whenever I see that, I think, “They’re going to cite the Federalist Papers or a speech Hamilton made when he was trying to get the Constitution ratified.” Almost inevitably, I’m right. And I’m not even someone who’s studied the Federalist Papers in depth! Hell, I actually haven’t them all! But, I do know that it’s no coincidence that Hamilton was at his most republican when he was trying to convince citizens who feared government power to support the Constitution.

Hamilton was even criticized for this: he gushed over the British government at the Constitutional Convention, but talked like a lover of states rights when he was trying to get it ratified. Got into a big fight with the other two New York delegates to the Convention when one implied suggested he was being deceptive.

Go ahead. Read the Federalist Papers. But look at the real-world political decisions that the figures were making; look at what was said in the secrecy of the Constitutional Convention, and in private letters. An advertisement for the Constitution is not where you go for the most genuine thoughts and feelings of the Founding Fathers on government.

"Her ministers have been weak enough to believe from the newspapers that Mr. Madison and myself are personally her enemies. Such an idea is unworthy a man of sense; as we should have been unworthy our trusts could we have felt such a motive of public action. No two men in the United States have more sincerely wished for cordial friendship with her; not as her vassals or dirty partisans, but as members of coequal States, respecting each other, and sensible of the good as well as the harm each is capable of doing the other. On this ground, there was never a moment we did not wish to embrace her. But repelled by their aversions, feeling their hatred at every point of contact, and justly indignant at its supercilious manifestations, that happened which has happened, that will follow which must follow, in progressive ratio, while such dispositions continue to be indulged. I hope they will see this, and do their part towards healing the minds and cooling the temper of both nations"
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Thomas Jefferson, 1815

*looks at what she just reblogged*

HAH!

James Madison’s Montpelier

Hat Problems

Did I ever tell you the story of my lost hat? ‘No.’ Well sir, I was saying at Bishop Madison’s in Williamsburg (he was not yet Bishop, by the way), and my hat was stolen out of a window in which I had laid it. It was about a mile from the house to the palace, and I was kept from going to the latter for two days, by the impossibility of getting a hat of any kind. At last, however, I obtained one from a little Frenchman who sold snuffvery coarsean extremely small crown and broad brim, and it was a subject of great merriment to my friends.

Nicholas P. Trist describes an anecdote told to him by James Madison

Was it really that improper to go out without a hat? Or did Madison have some kind of hat complex?

Founding Fathers Reconsider The Second Amendment

americanhistoryquotes:

“Remember, Jefferson: muskets don’t kill colonists-turned-Americans; colonists-turned-Americans kill colonists-turned-Americans. If you wish to outlaw anything, it should be something an aggressor can easily and repeatedly employ in a rampage: the lethal bayonet.”

publius-esquire:

Working off Sophia’s previous designs, I completed the My Little Founding Ponies (collect them all).
John Adams: Just a hard-working earthpony, he didn’t ask for any of this flying or magic crap.
Alexander Hamilton: The most fabulous of all unicorns, no one is best at getting things done.
George Washington: A powerful pegasus who has had leadership thrust upon him after the United States of Ponia overthrew its king.
Thomas Jefferson: Pony of the Equine, he’s just a simple farmer who’d rather be with his books.
James Madison: The most studious, he possesses the most magic of all unicorns.
Benjamin Franklin: A scientific pegasus, he’s the most gifted at building and crafting new ideas.
And they learn the magic of friendship.

How are you so perfect?

publius-esquire:

Working off Sophia’s previous designs, I completed the My Little Founding Ponies (collect them all).

John Adams: Just a hard-working earthpony, he didn’t ask for any of this flying or magic crap.

Alexander Hamilton: The most fabulous of all unicorns, no one is best at getting things done.

George Washington: A powerful pegasus who has had leadership thrust upon him after the United States of Ponia overthrew its king.

Thomas Jefferson: Pony of the Equine, he’s just a simple farmer who’d rather be with his books.

James Madison: The most studious, he possesses the most magic of all unicorns.

Benjamin Franklin: A scientific pegasus, he’s the most gifted at building and crafting new ideas.

And they learn the magic of friendship.

How are you so perfect?

#thp #the history peeps #alexander hamilton #fanart #john adams #george washington #jefferkins #james madison #benjamin franklin

"He [John Adams] is vain, irritable, and a bad calculator of the force and probable effect of the motives which govern men. This is all the ill which can possibly be said of him. He is as disinterested as the Being who made him. He is profound in his views and accurate in his judgment, except where knowledge of the world is necessary to form a judgment. He is so amiable that I pronounce you will love him, if ever you become acquainted with him. He would be, as he was, a great man in Congress."
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Thomas Jefferson on John Adams, to James Madison, 1787

Thanks TJ. XD

"Unlike most college-bound Virginians of his day, Madison did not choose the College of William and Mary, because the lowland climate of Williamsburg, where mosquitoes transmitted fevers and other infectious diseases during the summer, might have strained his delicate health."
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James Madison’s Wikipedia article ahahahahaha AHAHAHAHAHA

seriously though, skinny-dipping in the Crim Dell probably would’ve killed him

(via strawberry-fox)

Oh Madison.

phocion:

The Big Six, circa 1790.
phocion:

“How am I supposed to wash the dishes if Jefferson is taking the damned sink apart, sir?”
Based on madtom’s craziness.  I like to think GW keeps smacking his head on the overhead vent. 
http://madtomedgar.tumblr.com/post/37728262618/i-am-running-on-fumes-and-therefore-the-mechanisms

phocion:

“How am I supposed to wash the dishes if Jefferson is taking the damned sink apart, sir?”

Based on madtom’s craziness.  I like to think GW keeps smacking his head on the overhead vent. 

http://madtomedgar.tumblr.com/post/37728262618/i-am-running-on-fumes-and-therefore-the-mechanisms

#alexander hamilton #thp #thomas jefferson #george washington #john adams #james madison #benjamin franklin #art

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